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Navigating the Chapters of Challenge with Tele
Navigating the Chapters of Challenge with Tele.
Welcome to 'Navigating the Chapters of Challenge,' a transformative podcast where we explore stories of adversity and triumph through the lens of unwavering faith. I'm your host Tele, and each episode is crafted to inspire, uplift, and guide you through the pages of adversity & life's most profound challenges from a Christian perspective. .
Join us as we delve into stories of resilience, redemption, and unwavering hope, seeking the divine guidance that empowers us to navigate life's most turbulent chapters with grace and courage. In this sacred space we will unlock profound insights that illuminate the path through trials and triumphs.
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The Nine-Year Quest for Freedom- Escape To Nowhere Part 2
From the bustling streets of Nigeria to the shores of Europe, Victoria's nine-year odyssey across the African continent represents one of the most extraordinary migration stories you'll ever hear. In this gripping conclusion to our two-part series, Victoria reveals how she navigated through Cameroon, Gabon, and Congo before finally securing passage to the United Kingdom in 2001.
What makes Victoria's journey particularly remarkable is the context - of the four friends who originally set out together, she alone reached European soil. The others settled in South Africa, building successful lives there, though not without tragedy along the way. As Victoria guides us through her complex path involving multiple marriages, children born in different countries, and countless risky situations, we witness the indomitable human spirit at work.
The most surprising twist? After years of attempting dangerous border crossings and living in precarious situations, Victoria ultimately reached the UK through an approved visa application. "I went to apply for the visa for the first time and they gave it to me," she recalls with astonishment. Sometimes the most straightforward path emerges only after every challenging alternative has been exhausted.
Victoria's story serves as both inspiration and caution. For those contemplating similar journeys today, she offers sobering advice: "If it was now, I don't think I would have survived it." The world has grown more dangerous for migrants, with exploitation and trafficking presenting even greater risks than when she traveled. She challenges listeners to reconsider what "freedom" truly means and whether the sacrifices of migration are worth it, especially for older individuals or those with established lives.
"When there is life, there is hope. You can be wherever you want to be, once you put your mind through it," Victoria concludes. Her remarkable journey stands as living proof that with persistence, faith, and a measure of good fortune, even the most challenging paths can lead to safety and opportunity. Listen now for a powerful testimony that will forever change how you think about the human capacity for survival and reinvention.
Hello and welcome to Navigating the Chapters of Challenge with Tele. Today we're back with part two of Victoria's story, a very intriguing and interesting story. If you haven't listened to part one, please go back and listen, to download part one, and listen to part one and yeah, and then join us back on this one. But we're about to have fun again. So thank you, and here we go, part two. We're back again with part two and victoria is going to tell us about how she eventually got to europe. She started off, went through okay, let me see if I can remember all the places you went through. You went to cameroon, like two or three times back and forth. You went to Gabon. You went to Congo.
Speaker 1:Did you go to Congo?
Speaker 2:or Chad. You were heading to Angola then you went back, and then you finally ended up in Point Noir, which is Congo, brazzaville where you met and married your husband and then you went back to Nigeria. So did he go back to Nigeria with you, or how did that work?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, he stayed, he stayed behind, okay, okay. So tell us now.
Speaker 2:I had a daughter then Okay, okay, so continue your story. How did you then eventually get to Europe?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, as I said, I had a daughter and my job had to be travelling everywhere. I went back to Gabon on a job, I went back to Guinea-Critteria on a job, I went back to Cameroon and I remember I'm always laughing, smiling at myself thinking this is what I should have done in the beginning, exactly and I'm like what am I thinking about?
Speaker 1:yeah, all those times going through all that, yeah, but at the same time, I give thanks to God, yeah, for being alive you know to tell the story to tell the story. So I went back to Nigeria after the war during the war, rather, I should say and I stayed there and I met a Nigerian guy. We were friends in Congoongo. He works in, uh, um, I was in rio before I left and we became friends and, uh, we got married okay okay, okay I think you've you skipped something.
Speaker 2:You were were married in Congo, brazzaville.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So did you divorce before going back to Nigeria or how did that? What happened? Because you're saying you married. I did not divorce. No, okay, okay. The story seems to be getting a bit more interesting now. I got to sit up for this one you were not divorced from your husband and you go to Nigeria and you marry another husband. Is that what I'm hearing? Or are you telling me something else, because I didn't get that one? Is that what you're saying? Yes, oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Victoria, I went back to Congo and I tried to divorce my husband and he wouldn't do the divorce he said, and I quote when I married you, I didn't plan to divorce. Ok so I'm not doing it ok the lawyer just kept on taking my money. Ok, so I left ok and I went to Nigeria and I got married after three years today, but I'm always in contact with my ex and he was aware I told him because that's one thing about me I always try to be honest.
Speaker 1:I don't like hurting people, because when people meet me it's easy to fall in love with me, but I try to make sure that I'm fair. If I know that I'm not going to die with you, I will tell you straight away, and that's when you see me calling you broad. If I know that I'm not going to die with you, I will tell you straight away, and that is when you see me calling you broads.
Speaker 2:So you know straight away no go area.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, go area. I will tell you to my uncle before you know it. So that is my strategy.
Speaker 2:Okay, so he was aware that you were going to marry somebody else, okay he was aware.
Speaker 1:I thought you said you because we're still in touch, okay, okay, okay you know we're still in touch. Um. He wanted me to bring the child to him by this time. We moved to central africa. Okay, because the word documented in um, you know so, but I didn't. I didn't want to go to Central Africa. I'd been there before my job. I know the ways I was in Nigeria. I fell in love. We had a daughter.
Speaker 1:That's another story I would say and we had a daughter. Okay, I know, and that's another story. I will say Okay, okay. So when we met, the mother was not happy with me.
Speaker 2:Okay, so this is your second husband.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, okay so this is your second husband? Yeah, yes, because I remember she brought out a wedding picture and she said to me this is what I want for my son. You know, I want him to get married, have a big party and live happily ever after. And then the son said where's your husband now? And she kept quiet.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:You know, because she was divorced at the time. Okay. So I think what the son said he can be married, he can be sweet at this time. Okay. So I think what they sometimes say is you can be married, you can be sweet at this time, but afterwards you know what happened. Anyway, we loved each other.
Speaker 2:So we went out.
Speaker 1:They brought their yarn, their pitch and everything to my family and we were there. Then I got pregnant with my second one and he said she'll come to the UK to have a slide. And I'm like you know how many times I've tried to get her to the UK. So he was like it should be fine, you know. So I went to apply for the visa for the first time and they gave it to me. Oh wow, I was like, wow, just like that Just like that Something.
Speaker 2:I went around the world to get Wow.
Speaker 1:I know, Exactly like that Something I went around the world to get Wow two rivers and all Exactly. They always say God's time is the best.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, when is?
Speaker 1:the best time to do his thing.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I remember my age. Then he was laughing at me. When I got the visa he was like oh so, this is what you went around for. But then he was like he didn't go.
Speaker 1:I'm not afraid to so yeah, I got the visa, I came here and I had my doctorate. But while in Nigeria, I was able to get a job as well. I got a job with CKS. So it's a French company and I was lucky to get it, because the boss that holds the CKS knows my birth in Congo. Okay, that works in Weatherford. So I remember when I went for the interview, you know I was panicking on everything in Nigeria for the first time.
Speaker 1:I went for an interview because I went to drop my CKS Alliance person. Okay, so that's how the? And he just asked me how is Oscar? I said Oscar is fine. He said, is he still thinking of Bacardi? I said yes, okay, can you start on Monday?
Speaker 2:Oh, that was it.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:I wish getting jobs were that easy. I know, oh dear, that was it.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, so it was the same job I was doing in Congo. Okay, bring the people abroad Logistics.
Speaker 1:Nigeria. Yeah, buying tickets and all that stuff, Okay. So it was easy for me. I was there for a few years. Then we moved to Ibadan and I got pregnant. I came to the UK. I stayed here for like three months. Then I had my daughter and I remember when I was coming I went through Air France. Yeah, because I buy a motorbike ticket from Air France, so they give me a free ticket, post-class. So I remember when I got to the airport I couldn't figure out where to go for a flight.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So we went to Kew I just said to Kew, and we went to Kew with them and there was me and another guy and when it was my turn they said Bangkok. I said no, not Bangkok. So they said we have to take the bus to take us to another terminal terminal, you know.
Speaker 1:So that's what we did. So just me and the guy who I happened to know later I don't want to mention his name, so we went. So I told him, I said, listen, I don't want to mention it. Okay, yeah. So we, we went. So we, I told him, I said listen, if it's just the two of us going to the UK, they will leave us, you know. So we just need to find out where we need to go, how to get there.
Speaker 1:And then, when we got to the place, we met this three-minute immigration officer and then the guy was like, oh, you've got six months, Because by then I had only three months left on my visa.
Speaker 1:Okay, I didn't have the ticket for one year, it was an open ticket. Okay, so I can choose anytime. So the guy said oh, you can't, you can't go because your visa will expire in three months. Oh, and your ticket is one year. So I said no. I said when you enter the UK, they stamp you six months straight, you know. He said no. I said when you enter the UK, they stamp you six months straight, you know it's later you enter the accounts, not the expiry dates on your business.
Speaker 1:And he said no, and the guy beside him was telling his friends that, no, she's right, that is what they do. And he said no, no, no, no. And I looked back and I said, monsieur, civil, play for equity, what are you? And he looked at me like he didn't know he could speak French. And he just was so upset he just gave me back my passport and said Ale, ale, ale.
Speaker 1:Ale Ale go so me and my you know friend that was behind me was not. My friend was there. Madam, you didn't speak French. Will I send you back home? I said, no, that's how they send the girls back. You go on transit, it's not even their business. You have a visa for your destination and they still send you back for no reason. For no reason, anyway. So we became friends and we went on the flight. It was like oh, I didn't see you on the flight. He was like I didn't see you on the flight. I think I was in the first flight. He said are you a gas wife? I said no, I'm nobody's gas wife, I'm a senator's wife, just a nice citizen Traveling with a free ticket. Yes, why not? Thanks, you're French. Yeah, why traveling?
Speaker 2:with a free ticket. Yes, why not?
Speaker 1:thanks to your friends. Why not before you go on there?
Speaker 2:was something I wanted to ask you. Of all the people that left with you I know you were four of you that left originally how many of you eventually got to Europe? Of the four of you? Just me, wow. So what happened to the other people? Of the four of you, just me, wow.
Speaker 1:So what happened to the other people? They're still in South Africa.
Speaker 2:Wow, all three of them are still in South Africa, yeah, well established.
Speaker 1:Okay, actually, we lost one of them, okay, we lost one of them to cancer. Okay, and Frank of them to cancer, okay, and Frank, my son right there, yeah, but before we died it was there. It was very popular. It's a security company. Okay, we had so many things. It was nice in South Africa, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:What about Sam the one shouting about crocodilecodile and all?
Speaker 1:He's still in South Africa. He left with a new girl, a Benenoir, we met in Congo. They went together. He's got a restaurant in South Africa. Okay, so everybody kind of well established Married restaurant in South Africa, okay, you know the party salon. Okay yeah.
Speaker 2:So everybody kind of well established, good yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, married Okay, and Bride Lady as well is in South Africa, okay, and all of them are doing well.
Speaker 2:What about Doris, if I remember the name correctly? I?
Speaker 1:yeah. So when I got established in Congo I went to visit Dorit and, honestly speaking, she had a sleeping thing going on for her, oh she did.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was shocked so she was lying all along then yeah, because when I went to visit her, I went to the port, she was bringing her slippers, rubber slippers. Because when I went to visit her I went to the pot, she was bringing the plastic slippers Okay, rubber slippers Okay. And the rubber slippers she was bringing is the one they use the tire to do To do okay, so not just ordinary rubber slippers, okay, so very durable.
Speaker 1:I remember we went to the pot and she married a Mauritania guy and she had a two-plate okay nice.
Speaker 2:So at the end of the day, it was a fruitful journey for all of you that set out together that's good to know.
Speaker 1:At least that's good to know it ended well for you. It did, yeah. So I came here with my daughter and I stayed for three months and by the time I went back my husband was with another girl of his age.
Speaker 2:Sorry, sorry can you just rewind? Was that the husband? This second husband, yes, oh no how did? How did you feel about that? That must have been devastating I was very upset.
Speaker 1:I remember I had my friends and they and some would come in the morning to stay with me, then the others would come in the evening. They were all afraid that I'm going to do something to myself, because it was like a movie. You know, when I went back, I went to church and this girl came. I said, oh, I love your people. And this girl came and said, oh, I love your people, you know, they are beautiful. And I said thank you, oh, I don't mind knowing you better. I said no problem. I said well, I remember you. You gave a testimony about your back in church that God healed you, so to me that was a God-fearing person isn't it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's how I fall in a zone every Sunday, and on Sunday when I get to my room, we all have a meal, and then I speak French, but I don't have anything to show that I speak French. So don't have anything to show that I speak French so I went to a romantic at a nice party.
Speaker 1:You know, to get certificates, you know I need a job and all that. So every morning I go there, and my husband was trying to do his MBA in the States, but he was starting towards it as well, so we were both busy. But what I didn't realize is when I go to the school, the girl comes up. Okay, and I think one of my friends went to look for me. Okay, and I saw the girl there. Okay, and she told me that when I saw the girl, I didn't like it For me. I was like I'm not going to do that. You know, I trust him. And at the end of the day they went to the UK. Okay, yeah, and as soon as I learned that they were here, I just packed my children and I came here as well. So that's how I ended up living in the UK wow wow at least you got to the UK.
Speaker 2:Eventually I did so how many years in total? How many years in total did you take from the day you left Ibadu?
Speaker 1:I left in 92, yeah, yeah, and I came home 2001, so my maths is not great, so how many years is that?
Speaker 2:2001 and 1992?.
Speaker 1:So 2008,. Nine years, nine years.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:And before that I traveled the world. I even came to the UK when I met Dave. We went to the States, we went to Brazil practically everywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1:Before I finally decided to settle down.
Speaker 2:To settle down. Yeah, yeah, I had some questions I wanted to ask, so let me just check my book before I forget, because they're so they are. So what message would you like to share with anybody who feels like they need to run for freedom?
Speaker 2:you know, you, you, you left because you felt you had to leave now I know we've said in episode one that you wouldn't advise people to do it the way that you did it. But what would you say to somebody who feels like you know what my situation is so tight I. But what would you say to somebody who feels like you know what my situation is so tight, I need freedom. What would you say to them to encourage them, and how would you advise them to go about getting that freedom that they feel that they need?
Speaker 1:So at the moment I saw a lot of Nigerians, you know, trying to leave home because of the situation back home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't blame them.
Speaker 1:I mean, when I left, things were not this bad. But honestly, I go home often and I feel sorry for what's going on back home. I can see all these younger ones trying to make friends meet in an honest way and some of them, when they meet me, they want to get a visa to come to the UK. They want me to invite them to come to the UK. They tell me they just need a letter. I always tell them it's not just a letter that I need.
Speaker 1:Yeah it goes beyond that. It goes beyond that. Everybody wants their freedom. Yeah, honestly, as I mentioned in part one, if you cannot buy your ticket to your destination, don't do it, because nowadays things are even worse. We have people that are kidnapping younger ones for kidneys, for different things, so we live in an ugly world. That's why I said what I did then. If it was now, I don what I did then. If it was now, I don't think I would have survived it, because there's so many things going on around the world now that is unheard of, and I have my partner that used to say there's nothing, god forbid, in Nigeria Before you say God forbid, but now there's nothing, god forbid in Nigeria, you know, before you say God forbid, but now there's nothing, god forbid, everything is driven.
Speaker 1:People do anything now, exactly, you see people killing their girlfriends. He's 16 years old, trying to be rich. You know, when I left home, I wasn't trying to be rich. You know, when I left home, I wasn't trying to be rich. I wanted to study, yeah, that's all I wanted. I want to be a nurse, that's all I wanted to do, yeah. So mine was not even like getting rich, no. But back home now you see a mother thanking God for the 17 years old for driving a Mercedes Benz.
Speaker 2:How did he get the money? She won't ask.
Speaker 1:She won't ask. And when some things are happening, bad things happening, they say, ah, somebody is doing their needs to give them and this is that. So I will not advise anybody. Anywhere you find yourself right now, thank God and pray to God to lead you. If you have money to travel out of the country, invest it in your business out of the country. Invest it in your business, Even if you are going to be selling bread. Make a brand of it. Make a name for it. Add your filter, your cage, your store. Paint it colorful, do something different. Put some light on it. That will entice people to your store.
Speaker 2:Paint it colorful, do something different.
Speaker 1:Put some light on it. Yeah, you know that will entice people to come to you. Yes, you are selling bread, fair enough, but do it in a different way. If it's Akara, do it the way you want to be selling. Do it in a different way. Yeah, invest your own. You know most out of doing it a different way. Invest your own, you know most out of the meat, even if it's ordinary granola or popcorn.
Speaker 2:There's so many ways you can do it.
Speaker 1:Use that money to invest it in yourself and stay home. Look how these people they call them japa they sell all their belongings, yes, and they come here. Somebody was asking me recently why is it that most people that are Japa, they are no longer with their husband or with their wife? And I said because the way they operate back home is not the same way they work here. When you come back from home in Nigeria as a mother, you have to cook for your family. Your husband comes back from work, go and wash, sit down and eat and you guys eat, talk, have conversation. Go to bed from work. Go and wash, sit down and eat and you guys eat, talk, have conversation, go to bed. Right, that's what happened in Nigeria. The same thing happened here, Except that when you go to work here, you are tired, you are knackered.
Speaker 2:You are knackered.
Speaker 1:By the time you get home, you don't even want to cook for yourself. Yeah, not to talk of cooking for somebody else, that's true. And this is when you need your husband to understand. Well, you know what you might have to hold a soup spoon you might have to go into the kitchen.
Speaker 1:You might have to go into the kitchen you might have to do something to help, and some Nigerian men, they find it so difficult yes, to help. Because they're like I've already paid your dowry. You know you are my slave, so why should I? Because we are now in a low level. We are now abroad. I have to be in peace. I have to be doing this.
Speaker 2:I have to be packing baby or looking after the children, or picking children from school and stuff like that From schools.
Speaker 1:So all these things cause issues Before you know it you see the woman talking to a friend at work have an interest in another man and because the man has to pay that as well, they think they are in love. There is something else about you know. So Nigeria has a lot of opportunities, great opportunities, and I am sure people will say why are you not back home? Why are you not selling bread?
Speaker 1:or selling this or selling that you know I've established myself here, yeah, and it took me 20 years to do that Such a long time and going back to my age to say that I want to do something like that. I would need a lot of resources, especially with the way Naira and Francis are playing around. Yeah, if you take 10 million to Nigeria today and say you want to do something, by the time you rent the place, pay workers you have nothing.
Speaker 2:You have nothing left because there's so many other things that the money has to go on. You have to think of fuel, you have to think of generators, so many things. It's just things that you wouldn't think about elsewhere, and the country is not helping.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know. Yeah, I always tell people, even if you are a citizen, you want to establish yourself, set up something. The country is not helping you. There's no electricity. Most people are doing solar now. How many people can?
Speaker 2:afford solar? How many people can?
Speaker 1:If you have a, I sell you. How much are you going to get to buy solar? I had this friend that works in solar. I told him just to put light. You know street light, just one. I'm talking about 20, 40.
Speaker 2:Cost me 50,000 Naira, Just one street light, you can imagine how much it will cost. Now. It will cost a lot more.
Speaker 1:So the country is not helping. I understand when people say they want to leave Nigeria, but they need to think very well how old are they? The way they walk back home it's not the way we walk here abroad. Yeah, it's different you need to look at your age. If you are still young, why not? But if you are over 40, your bones already are crying.
Speaker 2:You are tired when the cold hits you once that's it here.
Speaker 1:When you say you are walking for eight hours, it is eight hours. You get one hour lunch. The seven hours you are working, you don't have time to be talking to your friend or turn yourself around and start joking, or you do your job yeah yeah so when you say freedom, think about it? Yes, depends on what you call freedom.
Speaker 1:Freedom and what the cost and what the cost of getting that freedom is yes, because most people that left Nigeria come in here. They call it freedom Because they have the electricity, they have water. You see, that is freedom on its own. But when you are back home in a safe place, you eat what you want. You know, when I go home, I eat amala. I'm from Badu. I don't touch rice. And when I go and visit somebody who wants to give me rice, I'm like why am I eating rice? I don't want rice, I want amala.
Speaker 2:That's your freedom. That's my freedom, oh my God, we're fast coming to the end of this um, of this beautiful conversation I've had with victoria. It's been such a pleasure having you on, victoria. I really, really appreciate your time and for being so candid telling us your story. I could never have done one third of what you did, but like you said God was with you and God saw you through and brought you through it safely.
Speaker 2:I always like to end this show on a note of hope. So what would you like to say to people listening out there? Just to give encouragement to people, just some form of hopeful last words that you'd like to say so there's something I used to tell people that when there is life, there is hope.
Speaker 1:Yes, you can do whatever you want to do. You can be wherever you want to be, once you put your mind through it.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And you have to hold on to God. Yes, I'm not a prayerful person, you know. I'm not going to come in and say that I pray Even when I wake up. I don't pray, you know, and I just have that faith in God that he made me. He knows where I'm supposed to be, he knows where I'm meant to go and he will lead me there, you know. So I just want to beg most of our young children. Nowadays, the expectation is too much. Beg most of our young children. Nowadays, the expectation is too much.
Speaker 1:When technology came to Nigeria, I was happy, intimate. I thought we were going to use it for the best of the best, like China, russians. Again. When the internet came, we started using it for fraud. I had a call yesterday from somebody calling my name like a buyer and said oh, we have a meeting today in a group chat that I belong to and there's a pin I'm sending to you. Oh, I know that you have to call the pin for me and there's a pin I'm sending to you. You know you have to call the pin for me. That's a scam. And I say listen, I'm a Nigerian, don't do this to me, you know, go and do something else the brain you have. Use it for something good, not to be calling people telling them that you sent them a pin, that you called and put the number back. You know Nigerians are very talented but they never do the right thing. So in terms of hope, it goes a long way if you have self esteem. There are things you will say.
Speaker 1:God forbid and all this from the home, the family. Look at my father. I never knew who he was until I got to Congo and the ambassador was telling me about my own father he was crying, I was crying and that's something that you have in you.
Speaker 1:They used to say a post doesn't fall far from the tree. Hard working, there's nothing that can beat it. All these people still lean. It's still hard work for them, but use it to do something good, you know. Hope for the better and put everything that you do in God's hands. That's it thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you so so much. I can't thank you enough. This has been really really interesting. Really appreciate your time. Thank you so much. And I know that your story is going to bless somebody. It's going to encourage somebody out there and hopefully people can gain something from it. Yeah, thank you so much and God bless you.
Speaker 1:God bless you, thank you, amen, thank you. Thank you so much.
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